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Journalism undergrad degrees: Why it’s not a surprise applications are down

by Natalie Clarkson

Applications to undergraduate journalism degrees were down by 18.95 per cent this year according to statistics from UCAS. With applications to university only down 7.5 per cent on a whole, it’s interesting that there has been such a drop in journalism applications.

But, when you start to think about it, maybe it’s not such a surprise. This is the first year that students will be paying £9,000 a year for their university education. And, honestly, not even the best journalism courses in the country can offer good value for money at that price.

Having just graduated from a journalism course, I struggle to see how universities can justify charging that much. Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed my degree, it taught me a lot and I had amazing opportunities through it that I wouldn’t have had if I’d not gone to Staffordshire University. But I don’t know why anyone would choose to get into debts of about £40,000 (when you include maintenance loans) when there are so many other options available.

My journalism degree was great but I wouldn’t advise anyone thinking about a career as a journalist to take a three-year journalism degree now. To be honest, I’d probably advise them against doing any degree. Journalism is not a profession where a degree is required. Having work experience is so much more important in this industry. And that’s something that you can start doing at any age.

And yes, qualifications do help a lot when applying for jobs but that doesn’t mean you have to do a degree. Doing an NCTJ diploma course will get you a very similar education to doing a journalism degree but you’ll complete it in a year and (depending on where you apply) it could cost as little as £1,975 for the course.

And that’s why I really struggle to understand why anyone is willing to spend £9,000 a year on a journalism degree. It’s not like there aren’t other options available. So it’s not surprising that journalism degree applications are down so much.

What do you think? Are you about to start a journalism degree? Or did you decide against university to take another route into journalism? Let us know via the comments or tweet us @wannabehacks

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schofb 5pts

Why I believe Journalism is (more than ever) worth studying

I’m an Undergraduate Journalism tutor at City University in London and I feel pretty optimistic about the future for our graduates – and journalism graduates generally for that matter.  It’s not just a feeling – I can see most of them moving relatively smoothly into jobs or internships. That’s why I think journalism is, more than ever, worth studying and why I think the skills you get from studying it are worth a lot in the jobs marketplace.

People are always asking me ‘Where do your students find work?’ and pointing out that print journalism is contracting before our eyes. That can take a while to answer. I believe it’s the students themselves who are making headway into what is a rapidly developing and shifting industry. Careers Offices, while helpful and supportive, can only try to keep pace with the way the industry is changing. The days are long gone, if they ever existed, when there was a careers path into journalism. Our graduates have to be quick witted and entrepreneurial and make their own luck. They have to do a heck of a lot of work experience and placements as well.

For instance, one of our 2012 graduates launched a lifestyle magazine for men with a team of fellow students. It currently has a circulation of 40, 000 and is distributed nationally. He is not a one-off. We encourage the students to take advantage of the need for content editors, online writers, social media developers, webzine designers and all the other roles springing up in a mercurial online world. And if what they want to do does not present itself within the market, we try and give them the tools and skills to be entrepreneurial and to set it up themselves.

My feeling is that as a journalism graduate you need to see yourself as somewhat different from your fellow students doing more purely academic subjects. If you can think of yourself as a self-starter and try to market what’s unique about you –  the transition between Uni and work needn’t be so tough. All those practical skills of web design, video editing, Photoshop and so on – they become a means to an end. 

I’m genuinely excited by the prospect that recent and not so recent journalism graduates might be a reliable weather vane as to the way the wind is blowing in the journalism and communication-related industries and where the jobs might be. That’s something even the most respected media commentators are having problems predicting.

Barbara Schofield: Senior Journalism lecturer, City University London

RossWittenham
RossWittenham 5pts

Hi Natalie, I was wondering exactly where you got your stats from? I looked on the UCAS stats and I could only make it about a 13% drop. The figures from publishing are a lot more disturbing, where there is a 50-odd% drop in uptake.

Ryan_SmithFH
Ryan_SmithFH 5pts

It's one of those things where it can come down to personal preference. I was lucky enough that a full-time job became available about 3-4 weeks before I started my A-Level exams at a paper I'd been doing a lot of voluntary work at. I got it, and have been there almost three months - obviously time will tell, but it's great getting stuck in and also saving a lot of money. Being thrust into the thick of it is invaluable, and something that you have to experience to understand. I don't think there's a better way to learn, but, as with everything, you get out what you put in.

JayCockburn
JayCockburn 5pts

I think really it's about proving you can deliver when you get the chance. If you can land a work experience placement somewhere and you show to them you can put together an article/radio package on demand then they aren't going to care if you have a degree or not.

 

I didn't do a degree in journalism and I'm now working in BBC Asian Network's newsroom. Admittedly it was because of experience I got in a different degree that got me here (I did sound engineering at university with a placement at a commercial station...they needed someone who could operate a mixing desk), but I'm pretty much learning journalism on the job.

samalexander92
samalexander92 5pts

Perhaps I'm an exception being on a Broadcast Journalism course, but I imagine it'd be pretty hard breaking into broadcast without it in today's market - it's certainly helped me get work experience placements/projects which  highly doubt I would have got without being a BJ degree student.

NatalieClarkson
NatalieClarkson 5pts

 @samalexander92 I don't know much about broadcast courses, but I would imagine there is a similar course to an NCTJ short course for broadcast journalism. Or do you think that it's worth paying nearly £30k for a broadcast journalism course? Personally I struggle to see that.

samalexander92
samalexander92 5pts

 @NatalieClarkson I study Broadcast journo at Staffs (hey Staffs friend!) and for all the equipment, support and opportunities we're given (and if it leads to a job worth £21k per year or more) then I think being expected to pay towards £30k ish over 30 years for it is perfectly reasonable.As far as the £9k limit goes - why should the general taxpayer continue to subsidise a well-paid graduate's success? Surely IF you go on to do well with a degree, you should pay for what got you there - not Joe Bloggs taxpayer who hasn't got the degree and same career opportunities. Why should he be paying for our degrees? But that's just my politics I suppose.I like to think that the skills I pick up and development I'm experiencing at Uni are invaluable for my future life, regardless of whether I get a career in broadcast or not :)

richardwelbirg
richardwelbirg 5pts

 @anon87  @samalexander92  @NatalieClarkson Sam is right about paying off the debt - it isn't (quite) as terrifying as it looks. But he's still wrong about doing a journalism course.

 

Don't do a journalism undergrad. Just don't. Get a degree in something valuable, then go and do an NCTJ course or Cardiff/City postgrad.

 

Interesting point about broadcast - but you'll get exactly the same facilities on any decent institution offering the NCTJ broadcast.

anon87
anon87 5pts

 @samalexander92  @anon87  @NatalieClarkson I don't think any gradate would want to be in the position of never making 21k, and I can't see it happening to be honest. More likely you'll start to make that sort of money by the age of 25/26, when a few quid a month will start to sting a bit more, especially if you're based in London.

 

You're clearly an optimistic guy, which is good. But the employment market for journalism is very very toxic at the moment. Graduating with a journalism degree that will pigeon hole you away from stuff like accountancy and management, having given up the opportunity to get into those industries 4 years earlier, in a job market where no-one wants to give you a chance and then realising that you're net worth (bailifs or not) is minus 40k, well that's not something I would imagine is all that great... You can theorise and philosophise about it, but come back after you've sampled the graduate world and see if you're singing the same tune.

samalexander92
samalexander92 5pts

@anon87 @NatalieClarkson Don't get the £21k job, don't pay a penny. Zero loss for the grad. Get the job, pay what you can in small (compared to salary) amounts. The debt is paid off like a tax, not a typical debt. The debt isn't like a loan or credit card - bailiffs aren't gonna come hounding you and let's face it, if you're on £21k - you can afford a few quid a month.

anon87
anon87 5pts

 @samalexander92  @NatalieClarkson Walking straight into a 21k job in journalism which will escalate into the type of salary that will offset a 40k debt?

 

Good. Luck. With. That.

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