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21. July, 2011 Advice, CVs, Entrepreneurship, Finding a job, Freelancing, How to guides, Postgraduate course, Routes into journalism, Shifts, Short course and NCTJ, Student media, Tools, Training schemes, Undergraduate course, Work experience and interning
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Online journalism CV workshop: share your thoughts!

by The Freelancer

Not long ago I posted a little CV workshop for young and graduating wannabe journos to use at will. It was loaded with tips and had some great feedback from our readers… but in the piece I also mentioned that you guys should send in your own CVs for analysis and comment (you still can! simply email freelancer@wannabehacks.co.uk)

I was going to send them off to various editors to get their feedback, but then I had an idea. How about we let ALL of you guys have your say on what works and what doesn’t about a fellow hack’s CV – this week, Danny Lee has been thrown to the wolves!

In his email, he told me he “couldn’t bear to watch”, but we all know that this process is a great one for everyone to learn from, and in particular, to make Danny’s CV the best it can be!

So, be ruthless, tell us what works, what doesn’t, and what you think you’d like to “borrow” for your own curriculum vitaes! As always, shove your thoughts in the comment box below the piece.

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JournoDannyAsia
JournoDannyAsia 5pts

And just for the record, I never used InDesign for this (although I wanted to), I used Microsoft Word. At first it was painstaking, now its simple and easy to update.

Frost_J
Frost_J 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@maverick Absolutely sans-serif. Helvetica is a very good choice, don't know why you'd be mocked.I think the colour on this CV is a little too light - if it was printed and photocopied it might not work out. Go for something darker imo.

charlotte.e.hawkins
charlotte.e.hawkins 5pts

I really like the one page format. And I like the use of the blue colour to break it up; the format is easy to read and eye-catching.

I would suggest putting the work experience in chronological order (admittedly difficult when there are many things are still presently going on, but I feel the most recently started project should be at the top, and the last two swapped around).

Also I would suggest getting rid of A-Level grades unless they are outstanding. Does anyone really care about A-Levels these days?

Just my opinion and I am no expert at all :)

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts

@charlotte.e.hawkins Agreed that I would remove A level and GCSE grades (really get rid of those). Your university will speak for what you got, and the subjects probably matter more. A C in Chemistry is more valuable than an A in Media Studies in my opinion. And with that much experience, your education pre-university is starting to lose value in comparison anyway.

maverick
maverick 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I recently got some major hatin' for using a typeface I'm now too ashamed to admit to using (Helvetica). What are people's thoughts on fonts?

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@maverick whoever told you off for using Helvetica has no sense of style.

maverick
maverick 5pts

Sadly, it was my graphic designer flatmates. Such SCORN. They've subsequently put something far more traditional in place. Not convinced. Currently enjoying Calibri... @MattieTK

rbsfeatures
rbsfeatures 5pts

@maverick calibri is what I use too. I have no idea how I stumbled across it, but it's fairly formal without being times new roman.@JournoDannyAsia danny - re: your cv - I like the style of it very much - it looks brilliant. but as somebody else has pointed out though, the objective bit doesn't really make much sense.

a point regarding layout - where is the reader meant to start from? it seems a little odd to begin from the 'relevant experience' section, because I'd imagine most editors (/ recruiters) would like to create a little profile of you in their head before reading about all the things you've done. so if they start reading from the objective, the next thing to do would be to read downwards, to the key skills section. and that mentions things like the LEP without saying what the LEP is. I know you've written what it is in the experience section, but they won't have read that yet. I know it might seem a little bit 'traditional' to do things in that way, but it becomes tradition for a reason. and although the layout shows you are creative, at the end of the day, newspapers have to be easy to read.

one other point - this is a point a journalist made to me about my CV - I mentioned places like the Richmond and Twickenham Times and the Southern Daily Echo, as if anybody reading would instantly know what they were, like you do with the Dover Express and pinkpaper.com. But a little sentences about what each is (i.e. whether it's a daily or a weekly etc.) would be good. However I fear if you did that for all of the places you've been, you'd find it hard to keep the CV to one page. As much as I like the idea of a one page CV I don't think I've seen one which fully conveys the extent of a person's experience and everything they can offer. And until I do, I remain convinced that either they're selling themselves short or they haven't gained enough skills yet. Obviously you would fall into the former category, not the latter. All just my opinion by the way, I'm certainly no authority on the subject.

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts

@maverick ah they would, they'll be sick of it :) If you're looking for something for a title (probably not suitable for body text) and free, the League of Movable Type is a really good place to go, lots of high quality open source fonts http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/

mattyc123
mattyc123 moderator 5pts

@maverick Applying to too many East-London mags were we?? Think something simple and professional works best, surely? Sans-serifs I reckon would suit, like Verdana, Tahoma or even Arial??

maverick
maverick 5pts

Arial also got a hammering :( @mattyc123

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts

@maverick @mattyc123 Arial is just trying to be Helvetica. Design students hate it.

mattyc123
mattyc123 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I'm going to pose a questions!! What do people think about the one-page standard?? I've always been advised to keep it short and one page is an ideal amount of paper to thrust into an editor's hand, BUT, does it make it too "dense" and complicated, like @MattieTK says?? Thoughts??

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@mattyc123 I think a single page with perhaps a link to extended information online (at a URL where you can put some sneaky tracking software) could be a good move, the moment something runs over two pages, you either have white space (which looks trashy), or something that looks like a mountain to read. It's certainly something I'll be doing with the aforementioned renovation!

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Well if anything this has inspired me to renovate my CV from scratch now I've actually started applying for things. Danny's is really good from my perspective: dense but concise and easy to navigate, and shows a bit of design flair :)

JournoDannyAsia
JournoDannyAsia 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@MattieTK I love this comment.

On the wider discussion of my CV: remove A-level and GCSE grades, long discussion over font (who would have font it!), colour and the final and most critical point: where we all stand in the profession on one-page CVs.

bentleyjjomec
bentleyjjomec 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@JournoDannyAsia Hi Danny,

I'm always looking at students' CVs, so here's a few pointers I've handed out over the years. The layout and design elements here are nice on the eye. I have some suggestions for the content though: apols if this comes across as a torrent of crit, it's hopefully meant to be constructive! I honestly think your objective is a bit blah - what is your focus? What kind of job are you looking for? Plus, the 'multimedia platform' that you talk about isn't obviously proved in your CV - where's the online skillset here? CMS, SEO etc etc. Related to the above why not include html links to examples of your work? Related to that point, I think you need to get more work experience under your belt. The media experience you have is fine, but tons of undergraduates will have that volume of experience to draw on, you should think about how you can stand out in a competitive market and when you're up against professionally skilled postgrads too.

Going back to the focus point, tailor the CV for whatever you're applying for - as it stands it looks like you've done a little bit of everything when ideally people will want to see a bit of specialism and passion too.

There's a tiny typo too - editorial people will notice. I would always include at least one reference - make it easy for whoever is reading it.

Best of luck to you!

JournoDannyAsia
JournoDannyAsia 5pts

@bentleyjjomec Thank you for the detailed response - there certainly is a lot of feedback to think and implement in my next CV. It is much appreciated.

Trackbacks

  1. What’s in a CV? « Danny Lee says:
    July 21, 2011 at 6:38 PM

    [...] forward to today and I’ve opened up my curriculum vitae to the floor to pick apart. For the uninterested or not-so-enthusastic, this kind of exercise [...]

  2. Online journalism CV workshop #3: improving and revising my CV | Wannabe Hacks says:
    August 4, 2011 at 1:28 PM

    [...] 4, 2011 – 1:27 PM After our first two CV workshops with Danny Lee and the other with Nizaar Kinsella we have a revised version of Danny’s CV to look at – [...]

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