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24. June, 2011 Routes into journalism
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A journalism conference with a difference

by Tom Clarke

Is anyone else tired of all this ‘future of journalism’ talk? We are. All these conferences on social media as if it’s the latest invention and debates about how long it will be before the print industry dies out. We think that the aspiring journalists out there are crying out for an event where they can get together and talk about the challenges we all face and what the industry really needs to do to move forward.  These days it’s all about making yourself stand out by being creative and doing something off your own back.

So, with that in mind we at Wannabe Hacks together with hyperlocal editor Joseph Stashko are thinking about holding a conference. Except, this one will be different from all the others.

Unlike traditional, stuffy conferences, you, the attendees, get to decide what’s on the agenda. So, if you want to talk about innovating within student media, we can do that. If you care about creating your own hyperlocal site, you just have to say. Fancy debating models for making journalism sustainable in the future? We can even have a go at that. And, rather than being talked at for hours on end, we’ll have small break-out groups to discuss these ideas among ourselves. We hope that it’s going to be unlike anything you’ve been to before.

We assure you this is not some vague, naive idea but before we got too carried away we wanted to ask you lot what you think. So here is a very basic plan, which we’d like some feedback on:

What will it be? A daylong conference on a Saturday in London around November time.

Who should attend? Anybody who classes themselves as an aspiring journalist – students of all kinds (especially those involved in student media at university), those in their first job and people generally who have an interest in journalism and who want to talk about it.

What would it involve? A mixture of guest speakers and break out groups with an emphasis on the latter. We want to take the ‘unconference’ format and add in a strong element practical learning.  This would allow us to really tackle some of the key issues facing young journalists and come up with ideas to solve them collectively. The key idea is that you come away with with some new skills or an idea you want to implement – something tangible.

But for now it’s over to you lot…

Aspiring journalists, is this the kind of event you feel is lacking from your calendar? What kind of topics would you like us to tackle? Send us your thoughts on Twitter @wannabehacks and using the hashtag #jconf or comment below, we really want to hear what you have to say.

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beccihughes
beccihughes 5pts

It sounds interesting so far. If we're talking student media then I'd like to see a discussion about censorship of student publications by unions. Regardless of how many innovative methods of storytelling one might use, I still find them uninspiring if they're being censored.

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts

@beccihughes that's the initial reasoning behind why I created @elephantstudent , unions not only censor content but they push the agenda also: before the student protest our paper was lined with content on why we should be attending the rallys and how the union was marching. In covering the live events there was no objective student voice (especially now under LS, though @jarennison did a very good job before)

NazKinsella
NazKinsella 5pts

I could do with improving my coding skills and SEO. These skills will become bread and butter techniques like social media and take more energy to understand. I'm with @olifranklin .

daniellagraham
daniellagraham 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I agree with @olifranklin on SEO front. I never appreciated the importance of SEO in online journalism when I was involved in student media, but it really is vital for anyone writing online...

olifranklin
olifranklin 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Absolutely agree on the coding front - HTML, CSS and MYSQL would be ace. SEO would be useful too. Throw in some data skills (@JamesRBUK might be good for that) and finally, don't have any discussions about the future of journalism. Let's just get about doing it instead.

Nick Petrie
Nick Petrie moderator 5pts

@olifranklin @jamesrbuk Cue corny taglines - 'it's not about the future, it's about the now'...

iammarcthomas
iammarcthomas 5pts

@Nick Petrie @olifranklin @jamesrbuk Can't see what use MYSQL would be. Better to be taught how to template Wordpress with HTML, CSS and The Loop.

olifranklin
olifranklin 5pts

@iammarcthomas Ah - no, although I do agree with @daniellagraham that CMS knowledge should be included - a very important lesson for journalists starting out on online (and veteran journalists yet to make the transition from print).

iammarcthomas
iammarcthomas 5pts

@olifranklin Ha. No, I think I may have misunderstood you. I thought you were wanting to know more about working with CMSs etc as opposed to building databases.

Acronym sheet = RAVGI (Really a very good idea.)

olifranklin
olifranklin 5pts

@iammarcthomas Hmm... maybe I'm getting my QLs mixed up, but I meant in terms of database queries (that might be straight SQL). In fact, it would be great to have a giant acronym sheet hand out on the door, to avoid such mishaps in future.

thefmagazine
thefmagazine 5pts

I'd love to join in and share some insight but also gain some knowledge that I have probably lost (or was yet to be revealed) since my graduation last year. Keep in touch and let me know how I can get involved!

thefmagazine
thefmagazine 5pts

Sorry, it's @larakiara speaking by the way!

annajleach
annajleach 5pts

Yes, great idea. Could do with some enthusiasm and fresh ideas in this space.

The next generation will presumably want to consume media of some sort and it should be up to the next generation of journalists to work out how they're going to get it to them. nice one @JosephStash and @wannabehacks

marcreeves1965
marcreeves1965 5pts

excellent idea, and I can't fault the premise and desire to break free of the cycle of conferences you talk about. However, one suggestion to avoid accusations of being as self-regarding as the events you're tilting against: invite some readers, and listen to them.
And please remember that 95% of readers aren't citizen reporters, and will never want to be.

LouLouK
LouLouK 5pts

95% of readers...

Citizen reporters aren't the ones sms'ing pics from their mobiles during explosions, fires and planes landing in the wrong place then, no? Or the ones who spread the news their local school is closed like wildfire on Facebook?

No one is waiting for journalists to tell them the story any more. They're sharing it themselves. People still, however, need a trusted voice, and that's where a 'journalist' is going to need to fit. Content curators, validators and commentators. IMVHO cos I'm new to the journalism bit but not the web bit.

cnorthwood
cnorthwood 5pts

I'm not quite a journalist, but was very involved in student media in my time at York in a technical capacity (I was Tech Director of Nouse.co.uk in 2009 when it won a GSMA) and I'd certainly like to have a talk where I express my point of view of student media, and how there's a lot in common between the open data movement and (some forms of) journalism - e.g., getting data and using that to deriving statistics, fun mashups or interesting visualisations out of it, some way of telling a story which may not be the exact same form as a journalistic story, but has similarities!

davidwilcox
davidwilcox 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

This Guardian piece by Jeff Jarvis "Digital first: what it means for journalism" http://bit.ly/lyqW7u is particularly interesting (to me anyway) because it shows how the shifts in format from article and package towards lots of digital pieces (tweets, posts etc) further blurs the lines between citizen-community-social reporting and trad journalism. The journalist as producer, curator and sense-makers overlaps with others harvesting stuff in what's known in other quarters as the knowledge ecosystem.

On the one hand new jobs opportunities (if you can do digital) on the other hand lots of competition from the pro-ams.

LouLouK
LouLouK 5pts

@davidwilcox This is slightly random, but bear with me. Huck got delivered to me courtesy of Stack this month and it's adopted an interesting model this month. First 3/4 of mag is trad journalism (where trad includes 140 interviews etc). But the last 1/4 is thrown over to 'citizen journalists' of assorted varieties, including the surfers themselves, who are normally interviewed by Huck journalists, speaking in their own words and tone, telling their own stories.

It asks an interesting question, to me. Is the role of a journalist to make someone more interesting? More transparent? Add context? Skew to magazines agenda? Find the USP? And take the journalist away and what do we have? Lack of context sometimes, lack of grammar and article construction, no top tailing, no PR spin at all, but lots of self spin perhaps?

The role of a journalist, to me, is to be unbiased. Self generated content is not always.

davidwilcox
davidwilcox 5pts

@LouLouK I agree - self-generated content can also be extremely messy, and that why I think you needs reporters working socially = social reporters to help people make sense, join up conversations, and to do (better) user-generated stuff. http://socialreporter.com/?p=1305

davidwilcox
davidwilcox 5pts

@socialtechno @LouLouK Is the difference that the role of the journalist used to be as I think you describe: listening, exploring, investigating and publishing via an editorial framework with a particular set of values and technologies defined by media ownership. They - and other journalists - would create the knowledge ecosystem. Now there's lots of others in that garden too, with their own snippets of information, attitudes etc There's scope to harvest and remix. I think lots of online journalists are doing just that; but you can do it without calling yourself a journalist. What's important are the values that inform how you do it, why you do it, and for whom, IMO

socialtechno
socialtechno 5pts

@davidwilcox @LouLouK Are you talking about journalism here, or about editing? There's always been more than one person between the source of a story and its publication. Blogging is an exception to that, bcause it's first-person self-publishing, but blogging is sociable and accountable because bloggers join up their conversations and respond to each other without editors - like we're all doing here. if we worry that something is poor quality, the question is: how can it be improved?

I wouldn't say a journalist's job is to be unbiased. The best journalism is written by people who are deeply committed to what they're writing about, and have an ethical point of view. If we take that away, we're left with the presentation of facts and no room for contextualisation or narrative. Good journalism lets the reader know where the writer was standing - what they saw first hand and what they got second hand - and also where the journalist is 'coming from'. Every point of view is partial, but a conscientious writer still gives the reader a clear picture of what's fact, what's speculation, what's accepted versus what's disputed, who said a quote or expressed an opinion, so that the reader can check it themselves or just think about it and talk about it with others.

martincloake
martincloake 5pts

Happy to discuss experience of teaching journalism, which I did for a while. Also wonder if something looking at what is worth keeping from the 'old' and being sceptical about from the 'new' would work - just to reverse the usual discussion.

JMChadd
JMChadd 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Great to see so many responses and enthusiasm for the idea. Always knew the demand was there.

(I'll use the word "student" to represent the demographic specified, as it flows off the tongue alot smoother.)

I think this has to be very much student-centric. If there are to be lectures/presentations, this should be student led. Discussions should be stimulated by topics and ideas students want to discuss, either in advance or on the day. Such an (un)conference should not really focus on industry-types lecturing about current industry practices, or how to get into the industry. Their needs to be a focus on what students are doing, whether individually or collaboratively, hyperlocaly or nationally.

This is a fantastic opportunity to pull together those that work (volunteer) at this level of the industry, and discuss wha we all do, what we can do better, and how we can collaborate and share more frequently, and more consistently.

I don't think this is specifically the correct venue to show people how to write HTML; but a perfect situation for a student (or group of) to show others how they learned it, what they did with it and what the results were. Then anyone in the room (coders and non-coders alike) can discuss this, pick out the pros and cons etc. (I use this purely as an example highlighted below.)

It is also a chance to take the first steps to creating an "informal union" amongst this level of industry - and it very much is an integral level of the professional realm, the football league before the premiership. The majority of the next generation of journalists/media-ists will come from this demographic you're hoping to invite. I'd be afraid to go tossing the word "union" about due to it's overpolitical nature, but the conference can be a stepping stone into ensuring that this is a level of work that is recognised and regarded just as high as work experience in a national paper.

I wrote plenty on such a conference on the back of the BBC Social Media Summit http://bit.ly/lSXuVv and am glad to see this sort of thing has such a high demand. Looking forward to hearing more thoughts and ideas come together over the summer.

Frost_J
Frost_J 5pts

@JMChadd I agree regarding basic webskills/html; I don't think this should be the place for direct teaching.

Discussion and learning that way would be better imo.

JosephStash
JosephStash 5pts

@Frost_J @JMChadd Agree with both your points. I'd also hasten to add that we want to make it as inclusive as possible - we don't just want people who are involved with student media to come and participate, but anyone who can be said to be starting out in the industry. That can be someone after a career change, someone who's landed their first job or in their first year of an undergraduate degree.

JMChadd
JMChadd 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@JosephStash @Frost_J Hence my disclaimer of using the word "student" as representing everyone mentioned in the main post :P

It's more about sharing ideas between people on the same level of the industry: student media > those doing the odd work experience > those in first jobs > unpaid local bloggers > those new to industry altogether etc. It's the feeder level for the professional industry, I suppose, that we need to be tackling.

Jessica_fuhl
Jessica_fuhl 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I agree with @markerrett that a session on basic web skills would be invaluable for many. I also think that the most important thing needed to get this off the ground is to really reach out to all students. Students at Uni newspapers and TV stations are doing great and innovative things, but a chance - such as this - to meet and discuss these great things and share ideas could escalate students to the forefront of media.

We're already using new ways to put out content that the BBC ect have not yet discovered, yet no one really knows. To make this conference work we need students form every media outlet in every University in the country, and less of the BBC types who want to tell us how they got where they did.

Would it be possible to personally invite every editor of every student newspaper, every station manager of every student TV and radio station? If you have students with real experience of covering things like the student protests on multi-media platforms successfully and innovatively, then the agenda will create itself, and discussion won’t be focused in a similar way to other journalism conferences, but through real experiences that work in a completely different way to how companies like the BBC operate.

This conference needs to avoid the same old types who attend every journalism conference, and reach out to invite those intimidated by such conferences, throw out the typical journo conference format and prompt discussion from them instead – what works, what doesn’t, what is the BBC missing, and what will we be teaching them in a few years time?

ElenaCresci
ElenaCresci 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Jessica_fuhl @markerrett I totally agree with you on the inviting student media types to the event - I'd constantly find papers from other universities in our student paper's office, but never once was there a real effort to engage with other news teams across universities. I think this would be an amazing chance for student media to learn from each other. At the end of the day, we appeal to completely different markets, we're not exactly competing with one another for readership, so why shouldn't we learn and grow using each other's examples?

Totally agree with the less pro media types - you need some, yes, but as is said, quite rightly, in the post, we are the future of journalism... surely we should have some idea of where it should go?

markerrett
markerrett 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@ElenaCresci @Jessica_fuhl Yes, it seems that everybody is so disconnected and nobody knows what is going on from other universities.

When I cam out of University in 2009, something like this would have helped to give me a direction and aims. Instead I had no idea where the hell to even start.

As for the thing I said about HTML earlier, it would be just to draw attention to it and that it shouldn't be ignored as a coder's domain. HTML is getting simpler and easier to read and write for normal folk so just a nudge in the right direction would help people.

Nick Petrie
Nick Petrie moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@markerrett @ElenaCresci @Jessica_fuhl We certainly hear what you guys have to say on this and as I wrote earlier we are on board when it comes to learning from each other rather than from those 'industry types' (not that they should be written off altogether)

This post and an invitation to join in the discussion was sent out to a list of about 20 student media (mostly newspapers) emails that we had roughly compiled for another project to encourage them to participate in the process.

Student media could be so much more than it is in the UK at the moment.

No one who wants to join in with this event will be excluded and we will do our best to deliver the kind of event we would have wished to attend as students and still wish to attend as young wannabes.

Attendance will only be limited by capacity and if we can get a good indicator of popularity we can look to ensure the venue can hold everyone.

There will be lots to figure out when it comes to logistics, including how we document the day and make it available to all those that could not attend or who did and wish to review.

We will collect views and opinions on this post for a few days yet and then pull together the main themes and ideas. @JosephStash

Nick Petrie
Nick Petrie moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@Jessica_fuhl @markerrett You couldn't have hit the nail on the head any more precisely about why we have set out to do this and what we want to achieve from it and how.

We all come from a student media background - we all feel that so much more could be made of it in this country (and it could be supported so much better as well). What you have set out above is the kind of conference we want to run and clearly the kind that people want to be provided for them.

Frost_J
Frost_J 5pts

This is superb, student media has been crying out for something like this needs to happen, and I believe it would be widely beneficial. I'll think of some things I'd like to see addressed and will be keeping a close eye on how this develops.

Thanks to @wannabehacks and @JosephStash for setting this up!

Oh, and one thought on dates- London in term time is an expensive trip for some; if you could have it on the same day as the guardian awards (also in Nov I think?), you might get higher attendance. I'm assuming they won't go on all day...

socialtechno
socialtechno 5pts

I have never been a journalist, but writing have been a major part of my working life, and so have interviewing and research. I do it to inform people, to empower them , to help them solve their own problems. You can see journalism as a job description for people who work in the media, but you can also see it as a set of skills around evidence, narratives, self-governance and public accountability.

davidwilcox
davidwilcox 5pts

@socialtechno I too think there's increasing scope for using journalistic skills in what I would call social reporting. Less emphasis on the old news values and more on making sense, building connection for social innovation, helping others do the same. There's going to be jobs in that.

simoncrobinson
simoncrobinson 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I can't do these presentations, but something on non-conventional forms like price reporting perhaps . ... maths for journalists... how spread sheets can help you see/tell stories@josephstash

LouLouK
LouLouK 5pts

I got all enthusiastic until I saw 'young journalists' not 'beginner journalists' or 'student journalists'. Oh well. That's me well and truly out of the demographic then.

JosephStash
JosephStash 5pts

@loulouk

"Anybody who classes themselves as an aspiring journalist – students of all kinds (especially those involved in student media at university), those in their first job and people generally who have an interest in journalism and who want to talk about it."

- This includes you, right? :P

LouLouK
LouLouK 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

But I'm _old_! ;O) Ok, so, I'd definitely like to talk about free/pay and how come sites in the US are paying ridiculous amounts of money cos they value words and the research which goes into stringing them together (be that investigative or commentary or whichever) while Brits are languishing behind in some weird world where people reading online stuff somehow count for nothing. It's really baking my noodle, working between the two.

markerrett
markerrett 5pts

I think a session on basic web skills would be handy including things like HTML and CSS and what is coming out around that. Knowing just even a little bit can let you make a lot. Especially if you are creating a blog to push yourself.

Personally I am working as a Technical Writer for a small company and while not a journalist I feel like the skills are transferable. I've now created two iBooks which are just HTML and CSS and get to feel like an author!

student
student 5pts

@markerrett I think this is a great idea Mark - I've always regretted not learning how to code earlier not only with a view to developing my own blog but earning a bit of money on the side of uni - sounds like you'd be a great person to talk about it, thanks for dropping a comment in

markerrett
markerrett 5pts

Well I may not be an expert but I can talk about my experiences. Coming out of University I felt very underprepared for finding journalism style jobs (I did Creative Writing BA) and found my current job 9 months later.

While not an expert coder there are definitely lots of resources to help that a lot of people are unaware of.

sashers
sashers 5pts

@wannabehacks #jconf great idea esp. unconference format. I'm up for a show & tell session on @SkillsetSSC journalism occupational standards & how they can help wannabes beef up their skills and spot any gaps in their knowledge.

JRyan86
JRyan86 5pts

It might be trite, but it would be good for all up-and-coming journos to jointly discuss work experience/writing without pay and the effects of economic and geographic factors on the diversity and quality of journalism.

sashers
sashers 5pts

@JRyan86 Really good point. There are some good guides to your rights - NUJ have guidelines and a campaign going (over to @whealie on that one) and @SkillsetSSC has an outline of law and best practive across the different work placements. Would help inform the discussion.

JRyan86
JRyan86 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@sashers @whealie@skillsetssc Indeed, would be nice if we could leave with an informal union in place and resolve to never work for below the minimum wage once any education courses had been completed. I'm not asking for much.

JosephStash
JosephStash 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Thanks all for the comments so far. If you could all ( @shanecroucher , @MattieTK, @DJBentley ), notify anyone you think would be interested in suggesting further ideas and topics and direct them to this post that'd be great. We want to build the conference based on what we see as being of interest to young journalists, so everything here will be duly noted and added to potential content for the day.

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts

@JosephStash Shall do, will force my entire University to turn up if need be ;)

MattieTK
MattieTK 5pts

ooh, and to show off livefyre, @caztellations @sam_creighton @xand21 @stephpickerill @rosiereynolds9 @kaamilahmed Get involved here!

shanecroucher
shanecroucher 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Great idea and I look forward to the event.

I think @DJBentley 's suggestion is valuable and it's something I'd like to take part in.

Also, I'd like to see something looking at a broader definition of journalism. Like working as a researcher for production companies, or making reports for NGOs etc. There are lots of jobs where you can apply your journalistic skills outside of newspapers and magazines.

Nick Petrie
Nick Petrie moderator 5pts

@shanecroucher @DJBentley Cheers - practical application of skills is something we are keen to focus on

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