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25. April, 2011 Applications, Comment, Digital and online, Finding a job, Industries, Interviews, Magazine, Newspaper, Photojournalism, Postgraduate course, Radio, Routes into journalism, Shifts, Short course and NCTJ, Television, Training schemes, Undergraduate course, Work experience and interning
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How am I meant to improve if I don’t get any feedback on my rejected application?

by The Student

 

With my Masters course at City University London nearing it’s conclusion, I’ve begun the search for a full-time job. Recently I applied for an online trainee role at national newspaper, submitted a carefully tailored CV and a cover email with links to my work on the web.

I was pleased to get through to the next stage, where I was asked to compile a review of the paper’s social media presence, but unfortunately I didn’t make it any further and was kindly informed of the decision that I wouldn’t be asked in for interview.

As was the case after my Telegraph grad scheme rejection, I made a point of asking for feedback on my application. In that instance, I received a courteous call from someone in the careers department informing me that I wasn’t a million miles away while highlighting a few areas of improvement.

On this occasion, though, despite politely making a similar request for constructive feedback, all I got was the following email:

Sorry Ben, I’d love to help but I’d never get any work done.

You can’t have been doing much wrong as you were through to the penultimate stage from a very large field.

Now I know people, and especially journalists, are busy. But I thought this was an inadequate response to what was a simple and well-meaning request. Presumably not everyone who applied for the role asked for feedback? And even if they did would it be so hard to open my CV/review (presumably in the same email thread) and make ONE piece of advice?

All I wanted was one or two sentences on the fact that I hadn’t done the task as requested, that I’d been to critical or not critical enough. Instead I got two sentences that hardly helped at all and, if anything, confused me even further about why I hadn’t progressed to interview. (The vagueness of the reply even made me wonder if my review had even been read..)

The process of asking and being flatly refused feedback got me wondering about news organisations attitude’s towards rejected applicants and whether they believed there was any point in replying to failed applicants like me? What is there for them to gain? And is there any other profession as bad as journalism for providing feedback and passing on wisdom? At times journalism seems the most insular and inward-looking profession, whereby once you are in, you have no requirement to help those who were once like you.

Saying that, I have had some very good experiences with journalists willing to talk to me on the phone and via email on how to progress in the industry. But the specific process of applying for jobs relies on, in my mind, that process of feedback. All employers have to do is spend 5 minutes jogging their memory about the candidate and provide a couple of points to avoid the application ordeal becoming a complete waste of time.

In journalism, with the nature of competition for each job, this process of feedback surely becomes even more important. How else are aspiring journalists meant to improve and learn?

Have you ever asked for feedback on a job application and not heard back? Do you think there is ever any point asking for advice on how to improve? Comment below (and tick the tweet button to automatically notify your followers you have commented on the site) or email us at hacks[at]wannabehacks[dot]co[dot]uk

 

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ashleyfryer
ashleyfryer 5pts

Re: what happened - by the time I got the call offering me a second go, I had booked flights for six months in Australia, so we will never know! However the guy did tell me to call him when I got back. I decided not to in the end as my career aspirations had changed direction, but it was really nice to have the offer.

I agree that pushing it can be risky - especially if you want to try again with the same company at a later date. It's a judgement call really - just have to ask yourself in each situation what you have to lose. In that particular job, I had nothing to lose at all.

cnorthwood
cnorthwood 5pts

I applied for a job at the Guardian, didn't hear anything for 5 months, and then got a phone interview. The interview went reasonably well, but it made it clear one of the "desirables" on the job spec was actually an "essential", and it wasn't an area I had much experience in. The rejection e-mail I got invited me to ask for feedback, but was clearly a form template, as it literally said: "If you would like feedback on the reasons behind our decision, please do not hesitate to contact us on XXX to organise a convenient time to discuss this with the relevant HR Consultant.", they'd not even bothered to fill in the 'XXX' in the template. I was left pretty disappointed tbh.

In the non-media world, asking for feedback is encouraged and indeed pretty much expected tbh.

JGOBunting
JGOBunting 5pts

It's tough because there is a sense in which I shouldn't have put them in the position to be asking them. Equally, it was beneficial and, in some ways, if the outlet is there why not use it? The feedback was very simply, probably only a sentence at best, but was more a case of what to do next time rather than what went wrong this time. It's a double-edged sword in that respect, I feel. Be the cheeky one to ask or the polite one and stay silent.

wannabehacks
wannabehacks moderator 5pts

James - good point, just goes to show how important those contacts are. I'd always thought they were useful to get your foot in but hadn't really considered their effect in the way you mention. Based upon your point that contacts play too much of a role in journalism, did you ever think you were pushing it too far by asking your contact to find out where you'd gone wrong? Or were you happy to utilise that person?

Ashley - an interesting example. Personally, I'm always worried about pestering people too much and would probably have stopped at two attempts (if I was feeling lucky!) but it shows it can pay to go a step further. Saying that, the Director may not have been so grateful for your perseverance so there's the possibility it can backfire! Did you get the job in the end, you didn't say what happened...

JGOBunting
JGOBunting 5pts

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you mention here, I also agree with the persistence that Ashley showed and was rewarded for, but when reading I couldn't help thinking of the recent discussion in politics regarding parental contacts and influence. Is there also a fraction of this whereby you need a contact to get so far and, were you to not get the job, that contact is able to provide you with feedback.

I recently got rejected from a grad scheme I had high hopes for; I phoned them to ask for feedback and only got an answer phone and no reply. Luckily, I knew someone within the business who was able to say why I hadn't made it through. I would be very surprised if half of the other rejectees had the same privilege. In a world where contacts seem to play a pivotal role in job application successes (too often, I would argue) then feedback should certainly be given to everyone otherwise those lucky few with contacts will gain another few yards in the race whilst their less informed competitors are left at the start line. Although not specifically concerning feedback, the question of inside information and contacts certainly bolsters this, quite right, argument.

ashleyfryer
ashleyfryer 5pts

Not specifically relevant to journalism, but I went for an interview last year and fell out after Round 2. I asked for feedback, not once, not twice but three times before someone actually spoke to me. The director rang me up and asked me to come back in as he was impressed by my persistance in demanding feedback.

Just goes to show that you have nothing to lose by badgering people!

It is poor though that people rarely even acknowledge an unsuccessful application at the first round, and rarely offer feedback in the later stages.

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